WDW Closings due to COVID19

[djsamuel 322]

15 hours ago, Tri-Circle-D said:

Your post led me to take a look at the comments. Wow. 
 

After Disney reads these I wouldn’t be surprised if they decide to remain closed.

TCD

Gee thanks!  You made me take a look at the comments. 😨 On some of them I wished there was a way to reply.  Amazing.

[BradyBzLyn...Mo 2,023]

On 5/9/2020 at 3:08 PM, Tri-Circle-D said:

Your post led me to take a look at the comments. Wow. 
 

After Disney reads these I wouldn’t be surprised if they decide to remain closed.

TCD

I'm going to keep my nice, peaceful Monday morning intact and not read the comments, but based on the craziness I see on social media in general, I can very well imagine what they are.

But hey, it's a heckuva lot easier to keep capacity down if a bunch of people take themselves out of the running!

[BradyBzLyn...Mo 2,023]

On 5/9/2020 at 1:40 PM, Beckers said:

That was good entertainment. Especially the lady saying she spends $10k a year there, does she not realizes that’s like nothing to Disney 😂

Those are my favorite!  Some people like to pull that one out every time Disney does something they don't like.  And yet I'd bet you that $10k they still show up!

And if they really don't... well we all know how that equation goes.  For every person that decides they're not going to WDW because [insert reason here], 12 more people line up to take their place.  In this case given what they saw with Shanghai's reopening and how quickly they "sold out" it may be more like 1200.

[Travisma 1,317]

6 minutes ago, BradyBzLyn...Mo said:

Those are my favorite!  Some people like to pull that one out every time Disney does something they don't like.  And yet I'd bet you that $10k they still show up!

And if they really don't... well we all know how that equation goes.  For every person that decides they're not going to WDW because [insert reason here], 12 more people line up to take their place.  In this case given what they saw with Shanghai's reopening and how quickly they "sold out" it may be more like 1200.

I think it's 1500 waiting to take any cancelled Fort reservations..... 

[BradyBzLyn...Mo 2,023]

36 minutes ago, Travisma said:

I think it's 1500 waiting to take any cancelled Fort reservations..... 

And that's just a regular weekend.  

[Tri-Circle-D 2,059]

1 hour ago, BradyBzLyn...Mo said:

Those are my favorite!  Some people like to pull that one out every time Disney does something they don't like.  And yet I'd bet you that $10k they still show up!

And if they really don't... well we all know how that equation goes.  For every person that decides they're not going to WDW because [insert reason here], 12 more people line up to take their place.  In this case given what they saw with Shanghai's reopening and how quickly they "sold out" it may be more like 1200.

I agree- the problem will not be having guests show up. 
 

The problem is going to be deliberate defiance of whatever safeguards Disney puts in place. 
 

If Disney says face masks must be worn, who is going to stop the self-entitled buffoons who know better and take their masks off after they are admitted to the park?

There’s a local grocery store here that made mask wearing mandatory by customers.  The last time I went, I’d say 25% or more of the customers took their masks off after they were in the store.  I know it’s debatable whether masks do any good, but if the store asks customers to wear masks, then customers should follow the rules.  
 

Thanks to the current administrations in charge of Florida and our nation, the a**holes among us are empowered to continue with their behavior.

I wouldn’t blame Disney to put that free money the government gave them in their pocket and not bother reopening this year.

TCD

 

[Travisma 1,317]

22 minutes ago, Tri-Circle-D said:

I agree- the problem will not be having guests show up. 
 

The problem is going to be deliberate defiance of whatever safeguards Disney puts in place. 
 

If Disney says face masks must be worn, who is going to stop the self-entitled buffoons who know better and take their masks off after they are admitted to the park?

There’s a local grocery store here that made mask wearing mandatory by customers.  The last time I went, I’d say 25% or more of the customers took their masks off after they were in the store.  I know it’s debatable whether masks do any good, but if the store asks customers to wear masks, then customers should follow the rules.  
 

Thanks to the current administrations in charge of Florida and our nation, the a**holes among us are empowered to continue with their behavior.

I wouldn’t blame Disney to put that free money the government gave them in their pocket and not bother reopening this year.

TCD

 

The world revolves those special people that don't have to follow rules.  

Partly due to the so called "leaders" we have with the one saying people who defy the rules are A-OK in his book.

And the other problem is stores that are afraid of offending customers and then being bad mouthed by them.  That isn't anything new, but now is the time they can crack down and make the people toe the line.

I was at Costco two days after they posted their rules that everyone needs a mask to shop.  Guy walks up with two women, the women had masks, he didn't .  Worker told him he had to wear a mask, gave him a disposable one, and told him next time to bring his own. What are the odds he does the same thing next time...

[twiceblessed....nacole 433]

3 minutes ago, Travisma said:

The world revolves those special people that don't have to follow rules.  

Partly due to the so called "leaders" we have with the one saying people who defy the rules are A-OK in his book.

And the other problem is stores that are afraid of offending customers and then being bad mouthed by them.  That isn't anything new, but now is the time they can crack down and make the people toe the line.

I was at Costco two days after they posted their rules that everyone needs a mask to shop.  Guy walks up with two women, the women had masks, he didn't .  Worker told him he had to wear a mask, gave him a disposable one, and told him next time to bring his own. What are the odds he does the same thing next time...

The tough part is, for some masks are truly very tough (if not impossible) for them to physically wear.  I understand that Disney is a theme park so (unlike a market, where you need to go buy food), you don't need to go there.  But, such a bummer if you have a family where maybe only 1 or 2 members would have an issue with the mask.  For some folks, a Disney vacation is a once in a lifetime and they've been planning it for a long time.  Personally, I think the idea of wearing a mask at Walt Disney World is going to pose a risk for a lot of folks.... at least during the really hot and humid days.  I mean, how many times do we hear (or see) someone needing help because they are suffering from heat exhaustion or heat stroke.  Wearing a mask would have to exacerbate that.   I don't see any good coming from that policy, if they enforce it.  But, that's just my opinion.  

[Beckers 1,136]

A girl I follow on IG went to Shanghai Disneyland today and she was highlighting all the people not following the spacing etc. some times people were but a lot of times they weren’t. There’s no way people here will follow the rules. 

However in NJ if you want to get into a fight take your mask off in a store and watch the people freak out 😂

[Travisma 1,317]

57 minutes ago, twiceblessed....nacole said:

The tough part is, for some masks are truly very tough (if not impossible) for them to physically wear.  I understand that Disney is a theme park so (unlike a market, where you need to go buy food), you don't need to go there.  But, such a bummer if you have a family where maybe only 1 or 2 members would have an issue with the mask.  For some folks, a Disney vacation is a once in a lifetime and they've been planning it for a long time.  Personally, I think the idea of wearing a mask at Walt Disney World is going to pose a risk for a lot of folks.... at least during the really hot and humid days.  I mean, how many times do we hear (or see) someone needing help because they are suffering from heat exhaustion or heat stroke.  Wearing a mask would have to exacerbate that.   I don't see any good coming from that policy, if they enforce it.  But, that's just my opinion.  

I agree, wearing a mask outdoors in the summer (really most of the year) in FL is going to be miserable for a lot of people, but if Disney says they need to wear masks, they will have to decide to go and obey the rules or stay home.

People will need to learn how to pace themselves and maybe find a quiet out of the way place to slip their mask off for a few minutes and get cooled down. 

But it's really no different  than following common sense to avoid heat stress or heat stroke.  And I know some people will physically be unable to wear a mask under any situation.

And the biggest issue is going to be if Disney has that rule and doesn't enforce it. There was a video of a guy getting verbally abusive to employees and a guard at a S FL Publix because they wouldn't let him in without a mask.

We all know how evenly they enforce the rules at the Fort!

[BradyBzLyn...Mo 2,023]

1 hour ago, Tri-Circle-D said:

The problem is going to be deliberate defiance of whatever safeguards Disney puts in place. 
 

If Disney says face masks must be worn, who is going to stop the self-entitled buffoons who know better and take their masks off after they are admitted to the park?

 

That really is the question.  Disney M.O. with CMs is for them to NOT confront guests, no matter how bad the behavior and how many other guests it impacts.  Either they're going to have to retrain that, or have other CMs in the parks whose jobs it will be to keep people in line. Can't imagine that happening, but then what's the point of opening if it's just a big chaotic mess, and a liability for Disney to boot.

1 hour ago, Travisma said:

And the other problem is stores that are afraid of offending customers and then being bad mouthed by them.  That isn't anything new, but now is the time they can crack down and make the people toe the line.

If anything, now is the PERFECT time not to care about that kind of badmouthing.  Every time I one person squawking online about any kind of health/safety measures right now, it's usually followed by a huge number of people supporting those measures.  

1 hour ago, twiceblessed....nacole said:

The tough part is, for some masks are truly very tough (if not impossible) for them to physically wear. 

I do understand that, and certainly the heat is going to be an issue.  I'm not really sure what the best  solution is there, and I don't think there will be one that works for everyone, but I do think we need to at least try and do something if we really want to get anywhere close to back to "normal".  Face shields may be a better option for people that aren't able to wear a mask, but even those will be hot in the steamy weather.

38 minutes ago, Beckers said:

A girl I follow on IG went to Shanghai Disneyland today and she was highlighting all the people not following the spacing etc. some times people were but a lot of times they weren’t. There’s no way people here will follow the rules. 

However in NJ if you want to get into a fight take your mask off in a store and watch the people freak out 😂

Given the rules that we've all seen people break at WDW every day, I can't imagine this will be any different.  The key here is going to be how Disney handles/enforces it.  If they don't find a way to, TCD is right - they should probably just stay closed.  This isn't just some PR thing where Disney is worried about bad press.  I've been saying for a little while now that it's only a matter of time before the lawsuits start with people that got sick somewhere trying to sue the company for not doing enough to keep them safe.  Given the things people sue Disney for already, it's not a stretch to imagine a massive class action lawsuit if there's a breakout of the virus that gets linked back to a Disney park where safety measures weren't being enforced. I'd be willing to bet there's a team of lawyers and actuaries at Disney already tasked with weighing out what their risk is vs the benefits of opening up in a limited capacity.

[BradyBzLyn...Mo 2,023]

27 minutes ago, Travisma said:

There was a video of a guy getting verbally abusive to employees and a guard at a S FL Publix because they wouldn't let him in without a mask.

There have been multiple cases like that at Costco after they implemented their new policy; not to mention the case at a Family Dollar store where a security guard that was shot and killed. All over people being told they needed to wear a mask to shop at a private company.

I don't understand why people are losing their damned minds over what amounts to temporary measures intended to keep us all safe, including (and maybe especially) the people showing up to work in these places - which right now amounts to risking your health for the sake of your job.

You don't see people flipping out and screaming obscenities at employees over "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policies.  Right now companies are just asking that, for the time being at least, in addition to your shirt and shoes, you put on a mask.

[djsamuel 322]

6 minutes ago, BradyBzLyn...Mo said:

Given the rules that we've all seen people break at WDW every day, I can't imagine this will be any different.  The key here is going to be how Disney handles/enforces it.  If they don't find a way to, TCD is right - they should probably just stay closed.  This isn't just some PR thing where Disney is worried about bad press.  I've been saying for a little while now that it's only a matter of time before the lawsuits start with people that got sick somewhere trying to sue the company for not doing enough to keep them safe.  Given the things people sue Disney for already, it's not a stretch to imagine a massive class action lawsuit if there's a breakout of the virus that gets linked back to a Disney park where safety measures weren't being enforced. I'd be willing to bet there's a team of lawyers and actuaries at Disney already tasked with weighing out what their risk is vs the benefits of opening up in a limited capacity.

This is the key.  Disney needs to increase security and more importantly, finally give the them the ability to enforce the rules.  I have friends who are in security and often the path taken is to minimize disruption to the gust rather than strictly enforcing the rules.  That is what needs to change with this.  If you won't wear a face mask they escort you out of the park; no second chance.

[Tri-Circle-D 2,059]

30 minutes ago, djsamuel said:

This is the key.  Disney needs to increase security and more importantly, finally give the them the ability to enforce the rules.  I have friends who are in security and often the path taken is to minimize disruption to the gust rather than strictly enforcing the rules.  That is what needs to change with this.  If you won't wear a face mask they escort you out of the park; no second chance.

You’re right, but I can’t see it happening with security. The cost would be too high, and it would still be impossible to watch everyone. 
 

TCD

[fladogfan aka Gretchen 259]

1 hour ago, Tri-Circle-D said:

You’re right, but I can’t see it happening with security. The cost would be too high, and it would still be impossible to watch everyone. 
 

TCD

Bet a lot of the rules following, mask wearing guests will be all too happy to report non-mask wearers.  We just need Disney to follow up on their rules.

[Tri-Circle-D 2,059]

11 minutes ago, fladogfan aka Gretchen said:

Bet a lot of the rules following, mask wearing guests will be all too happy to report non-mask wearers.  We just need Disney to follow up on their rules.

Yeah I don’t think that would work either. How are guests supposed to report it?  And is security supposed to take the word of the reporting guest over the guest who now has his mask on and denies it?  
 

TCD

[h2odivers...Ray 952]

Here’s my questions.  And I’m not being a smart a$$.  It just seems to me there Is no way to keep everyone 100% safe. 
 

1.  How is disney going to make sure people don’t use the same mask everyday for the 6-7 days guest are at the park?

from what I’ve read cloth masks should be washed after every second use. 
 

2.  If someone has tested positive for covid19 should they be allowed into the parks?

we don’t know if they can get reinfected and pass the virus to others?

 

3.  Should they allow children under 2 or people with difficulties getting their masks on and off by themselves, or who has trouble breathing into the parks?

The CDC says...” Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious, incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.”  If one of them has the virus they could easily spread it to others in the park  

4.  What should disney do if they see someone not properly handling their mask?

when removing your mask you should not touch any part of your face. Remove mask by pulling on the elastic around your ears. 
 

5.  People will have to eat and drink when they are at the park. 
how is disney going to control how and when people are going to be allowed to take off their mask to drink some water when it’s 90+ degrees in central Florida. 
 

IMHO. They should open the parks to people who are willing to sign a liability waiver and give employees the choice of whether to work or not.  And provide masks, and EDUCATION to all arriving guests.   Do health/temperature screenings for all CMs and guests, etc. 

 

now let’s be honest. People who are at risk or fearful of getting covid19 are not going to the park anytime soon even if Disney makes everyone wear masks and wash there hands after ever ride anyways. 
am I right?

and those people who think it’s no big deal, and are willing to go, to the parks, regardless of whether they make them wear masks or social distance from other  or what ever. 
Will go to WDW. 
 

So for those in the “I’m not going to WDW unless...(insert your own requirement here), camp. Let those people go. Let them be them Be Guinea pigs. 

if you’re right they will get covid19 and suffer the consequences. But if you’re wrong they’ve taken the risk for you and you’ll know it’s safe to go back to WDW. 

[LONE-STAR 370]

I wonder how will people drink around the world with a mask. A lot of people hold a drink the whole way around. 

[Travisma 1,317]

9 hours ago, LONE-STAR said:

I wonder how will people drink around the world with a mask. A lot of people hold a drink the whole way around. 

They can purchase the official flexible Drinking Around the World Straw (DAWS) for the low low price of $19.99 so they sip and stroll with masks still on.

[ImDownWithDisney 342]

Cloth masks are a joke. Virus size makes cloth look like a screen door. If you're not wearing a properly fitting N95 or P100 respirator you are fooling yourself, IMO. When I go to the store at least 25% of the people wearing masks have their nose exposed. These people are literally too stupid to help. There's no way Disney can police people into wearing and handling masks properly let alone make sure everyone has a respirator.

There's no way I'd visit a theme park in the summer while having to wear a mask. To me it is simply not worth the hassle. I'd rather ride a bike, rent a kayak, sit under the awning, etc.

[Travisma 1,317]

About masks and the heat, there's a great meme on FB

The top part is a picture of a guy with a mask on saying "I can't breathe in this in a theme park in the summer"

Bottom shows Chip and Dale saying "Pretty sure you can!"

[twiceblessed....nacole 433]

12 hours ago, h2odivers...Ray said:

IMHO. They should open the parks to people who are willing to sign a liability waiver and give employees the choice of whether to work or not.  And provide masks, and EDUCATION to all arriving guests.    

Agreed.  Then again, I think this is where we should be, with the entire country. Those governors who are keeping their states closed, it's about control and the amount of damage that they are doing is immense.  This is a virus, people understand that; citizens need to be allowed to make their own choices.

17 hours ago, BradyBzLyn...Mo said:

 

I don't understand why people are losing their damned minds over what amounts to temporary measures intended to keep us all safe, including (and maybe especially) the people showing up to work in these places - which right now amounts to risking your health for the sake of your job.

 

Because it's not about the mask, Mo.  I know you have to understand that.  I don't wear a mask.  Never have, nor do I have any plans to.  This includes not going back to Costco (until they remove the mask requirement)  for which we've been a member of for 25+ years (before it even was Costco as I'm from the PNW).    We've always had viruses, yet never have we been required to wear a mask.  Even the CDC and Surgeon General didn't require masks, until a few weeks ago when (in my opinion) we started to get a better grasp on what this virus was and confirmation on who it was truly affecting, at that point Americans started to panic a little less and started to push for things to open back up.   At that point, the decision came down, that the general public should be wearing masks.  All this does in bolster fear as folks believe they need a mask, to be safe.  This simply is not true... or if it is true, why has it not been suggested (or required) earlier as our country has experienced some brutal flu season that cost America many lives... and those lives were across the board on the demographics, not primarily focused on one group (thus making it easier for a sector of the population to choose to isolate).  As for the argument that I hear some say, well the flu is not an aerosol transmitted pathogen, of course it is.  Even our government recognizes this.  My favorite argument for the differences between SARS-CoV-2 and Influenza, is that 80% (or more) of individuals who contract this current coronavirus, either have mild or no (they are asymptomatic) systems.  All this does, is reinforce that fact that this virus is of no treat to a majority of the population.... which goes back to my original point, Mo.  People are not "losing their damned minds" over wearing a mask, they are angry over the amount of control being enforced and they... we... should be.  In my home state of Washington, the governor has announced that starting this week, he is implementing mandatory testing.  A policy that he is carrying out with such force, that he has the National Guard ready to step in and enforce his rule.  If necessary, they will go door to door.  If you test positive, he says he will remove people from their homes so that they can be forced to isolate at a location that the State of Washington has created.  There are facilities already set up.  They will removed children from homes and place them under the custody of DCYF.  Could you imagine?!   They come to your home, test you, you are positive for this virus (but have no symptoms because most people do not) and they take your children.  Not only are that doing that, but because they are expecting to take so many children and they are in a rush to find adults to watch these babies, the governor has waived requirement for this care givers.  Here is what the proclamation states:     

"Waiving licensing requirements for healthcare workers

This proclamation waives requirements necessary for health care workers to remain licensed to practice in the state, including ongoing training and continuing education requirements. These waivers will deliver much needed relief to an increasingly taxed health care system, allowing workers to focus on providing care to Washingtonians during the COVID-19 outbreak.

 

Waiving requirements for child care and background checks

This proclamation waives several requirements for licensed childcare workers, including requiring federal fingerprint background checks before completing the licensing process. This responds to an increased need for childcare during the COVID-19 emergency, increasing availability by allowing workers to be more easily licensed to provide care to those who need it."

 

Fantastic, right?  This should be real good, for the sex trafficking business.  Please do not tell me that this is not happening, the hell it's not.   My family is still in Washington, my friends are still in Washington.... they.are.fighting.... because this is happening. 

 

We all should pray, that we don't have a loved one get sick.  Not only did 1.4 million health care workers loose their jobs in April (which means we should hope that someone, who is qualified, is there to help us if we need it), but family is not allowed in the hospitals.  Two conversations I had recently:  a girl whose grandmother passed away; her grandparents had been married for over 50 years and her grandfather was not allowed in the hospital.  Could you imagine?  You've done this life, with your person, for over 50 years and you're not there there to make sure that they are not in pain, that they are not scared, that they are not... alone.  You don't get to say goodbye, to the person that you've. done. life. with.   They are ALONE.   Another woman who I spoke with, her closest friend just lost their grandbaby.  They were not allowed in the hospital.  They had to stay outside in the parking lot, while their grandchild was inside.. dying.  THIS IS NOT OKAY.  But his is what fear does.  The same fear that tells everyone they must wear a mask, is destroying our country... and not from the deaths is causing, but from the liberties that are being stripped.  It needs to stop.

[twiceblessed....nacole 433]

1 hour ago, ImDownWithDisney said:

Cloth masks are a joke. Virus size makes cloth look like a screen door. If you're not wearing a properly fitting N95 or P100 respirator you are fooling yourself, IMO. When I go to the store at least 25% of the people wearing masks have their nose exposed.

Not only are they worn improperly (either by being too loose, not covering the nose, people bringing their hands up and touching them constantly to readjust them),  but studies show that they carry more germs than they help prevent.  More people will get sick from wearing them (let alone sick from not boosting your  immune system as our immune system was designed to interact with pathogens). 

[djsamuel 322]

16 hours ago, Tri-Circle-D said:

You’re right, but I can’t see it happening with security. The cost would be too high, and it would still be impossible to watch everyone. 
 

TCD

That's certainly a possibility.  Of course the legal costs of defending against lawsuits claiming Disney did not properly enforce their precautions is high too.  I also wonder if there will be an increased Orange County Sheriff presence as well.

 

[PGHFiend 140]

19 minutes ago, twiceblessed....nacole said:

Agreed.  Then again, I think this is where we should be, with the entire country. Those governors who are keeping their states closed, it's about control and the amount of damage that they are doing is immense.  This is a virus, people understand that; citizens need to be allowed to make their own choices.

Because it's not about the mask, Mo.  I know you have to understand that.  I don't wear a mask.  Never have, nor do I have any plans to.  This includes not going back to Costco (until they remove the mask requirement)  for which we've been a member of for 25+ years (before it even was Costco as I'm from the PNW).    We've always had viruses, yet never have we been required to wear a mask.  Even the CDC and Surgeon General didn't require masks, until a few weeks ago when (in my opinion) we started to get a better grasp on what this virus was and confirmation on who it was truly affecting, at that point Americans started to panic a little less and started to push for things to open back up.   At that point, the decision came down, that the general public should be wearing masks.  All this does in bolster fear as folks believe they need a mask, to be safe.  This simply is not true... or if it is true, why has it not been suggested (or required) earlier as our country has experienced some brutal flu season that cost America many lives... and those lives were across the board on the demographics, not primarily focused on one group (thus making it easier for a sector of the population to choose to isolate).  As for the argument that I hear some say, well the flu is not an aerosol transmitted pathogen, of course it is.  Even our government recognizes this.  My favorite argument for the differences between SARS-CoV-2 and Influenza, is that 80% (or more) of individuals who contract this current coronavirus, either have mild or no (they are asymptomatic) systems.  All this does, is reinforce that fact that this virus is of no treat to a majority of the population.... which goes back to my original point, Mo.  People are not "losing their damned minds" over wearing a mask, they are angry over the amount of control being enforced and they... we... should be.  In my home state of Washington, the governor has announced that starting this week, he is implementing mandatory testing.  A policy that he is carrying out with such force, that he has the National Guard ready to step in and enforce his rule.  If necessary, they will go door to door.  If you test positive, he says he will remove people from their homes so that they can be forced to isolate at a location that the State of Washington has created.  There are facilities already set up.  They will removed children from homes and place them under the custody of DCYF.  Could you imagine?!   They come to your home, test you, you are positive for this virus (but have no symptoms because most people do not) and they take your children.  Not only are that doing that, but because they are expecting to take so many children and they are in a rush to find adults to watch these babies, the governor has waived requirement for this care givers.  Here is what the proclamation states:     

"Waiving licensing requirements for healthcare workers

This proclamation waives requirements necessary for health care workers to remain licensed to practice in the state, including ongoing training and continuing education requirements. These waivers will deliver much needed relief to an increasingly taxed health care system, allowing workers to focus on providing care to Washingtonians during the COVID-19 outbreak.

 

Waiving requirements for child care and background checks

This proclamation waives several requirements for licensed childcare workers, including requiring federal fingerprint background checks before completing the licensing process. This responds to an increased need for childcare during the COVID-19 emergency, increasing availability by allowing workers to be more easily licensed to provide care to those who need it."

 

Fantastic, right?  This should be real good, for the sex trafficking business.  Please do not tell me that this is not happening, the hell it's not.   My family is still in Washington, my friends are still in Washington.... they.are.fighting.... because this is happening. 

 

We all should pray, that we don't have a loved one get sick.  Not only did 1.4 million health care workers loose their jobs in April (which means we should hope that someone, who is qualified, is there to help us if we need it), but family is not allowed in the hospitals.  Two conversations I had recently:  a girl whose grandmother passed away; her grandparents had been married for over 50 years and her grandfather was not allowed in the hospital.  Could you imagine?  You've done this life, with your person, for over 50 years and you're not there there to make sure that they are not in pain, that they are not scared, that they are not... alone.  You don't get to say goodbye, to the person that you've. done. life. with.   They are ALONE.   Another woman who I spoke with, her closest friend just lost their grandbaby.  They were not allowed in the hospital.  They had to stay outside in the parking lot, while their grandchild was inside.. dying.  THIS IS NOT OKAY.  But his is what fear does.  The same fear that tells everyone they must wear a mask, is destroying our country... and not from the deaths is causing, but from the liberties that are being stripped.  It needs to stop.

I see the masks being worn simply protect the people that have to work in the store in case YOU have it. I don't want to be so selfish that I won't think of the people who are working to provide food and services for us when they may be scared to even go to work. 

Does having to wear a shirt in the store strip your liberties? 

If so let's go topless for COVID!

Where does the sex trafficking come in?

Are you ok?