The Fort and Firearms, new policy?

[Travisma 1,317]

Take this with a grain of salt, I saw this and a couple other posts about the Fort/Disney cracking down of firearms on property.

The original poster said he arrived at the Fort 1/2, showed his DL to the guard at the first shack, and then the guard asked if he had a firearm.  He answered yes, and the guard told him to let the CM at checkin lane know.

As he pulled up to the checkin lane a Disney security guard met him, and asked him to bring his weapon inside to the office where it would be placed in a lockbox.  He was not happy with this and the guard told him the choices were lock the weapon up at the office, or he would be escorted off the property. 

He said he was never asked previously about carrying a firearm in his RV. The guard told him it was a new policy.

Then the deluge of pro and anti guns started posting.  The admin turned off further posts.

 

 

[keith_h 420]

Not to get into the pros/cons but the policy does go along with the no more "Do Not Disturb" policy. At least it is giving some semblance of consistency in how they are reacting to the Las Vegas incident. I am of the opinion they should be notifying guests well before they arrive but my guess they are afraid of cancellations.   

[dblr....Rennie 224]

As tight ( or not ) as Disney security is I actually noticed what I feel is a flaw and think someone could actually get thru with something if they really tried and to me did not seem all that difficult. I am sure people will not like to hear this but it's just in times  we are going thru now I tend to look at things a lot different then I used to.

[Travisma 1,317]

4 minutes ago, dblr....Rennie said:

As tight ( or not ) as Disney security is I actually noticed what I feel is a flaw and think someone could actually get thru with something if they really tried and to me did not seem all that difficult. I am sure people will not like to hear this but it's just in times  we are going thru now I tend to look at things a lot different then I used to.

A lot of the replies to the original post wondered what would happen if you just said you didn't have a weapon, then they somehow found out that you did?

Now looking back at our "Rules" book we were given 4th of July 2016 (our last visit) there is a section about Weapons.

It states do not discharge any weapons within the WDW resort, includes firearms, archery, air guns and fireworks.  

Then it states all weapons must be checked in and secured during your stay.

So maybe they are becoming pro-active and asking instead of relying on people to tell them?

And there are plenty of ways to get weapons into the parks themselves if you are so inclined, but this policy is about the Fort/hotels cracking down.

One person that replied said he was a police officer, and they noticed some sort of emblem in his car and asked if he had a weapon.  He replied he did, his service firearm.  They wanted him to lock it up at the office.  He refused and took it back home (he was local).  He didn't feel confident that Disney could secure his issued firearm adequately.

[shaffecv 12]

17 minutes ago, keith_h said:

Not to get into the pros/cons but the policy does go along with the no more "Do Not Disturb" policy. At least it is giving some semblance of consistency in how they are reacting to the Las Vegas incident. I am of the opinion they should be notifying guests well before they arrive but my guess they are afraid of cancellations.   

Wonder if the "Do Not Disturb" policy gives Disney the right to enter an RV or tent. I guess time will tell.

 

 

[Cortezcapt (Derek) 156]

Hasn't there always been a no firearms/weapons policy at the Fort and for that matter all Disney properties? Or at least for awhile now, they've just never asked about it before.

 

The thing with asking people when they get to the Fort if the have a firearm is the people who are honest and have one for their protection will answer yes however if someone was actually going to use it or had bad intentions will simply answer no and drive on through. A full rv search and especially for a weapon would be impossible for Disney to do/keep up with. Them asking and it becoming know that they are asking will make people think twice, but again this is probably only going to affect honest people who have no intention of using their firearms for anything other then defense. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BigTom 76]

I can not think that anyone would travel especially in a motor coach and staying in different places without some kind of protection. I would assume everyone would be armed in some way.

[Cortezcapt (Derek) 156]

7 minutes ago, shaffecv said:

Wonder if the "Do Not Disturb" policy gives Disney the right to enter an RV or tent. I guess time will tell.

 

 

I would be surprised if it wasn't already in the fine print somewhere before all this, that they could request/require entrance into your rv or hotel room at any time. 

[Travisma 1,317]

35 minutes ago, Cortezcapt (Derek) said:

Hasn't there always been a no firearms/weapons policy at the Fort and for that matter all Disney properties? Or at least for awhile now, they've just never asked about it before.

 

The thing with asking people when they get to the Fort if the have a firearm is the people who are honest and have one for their protection will answer yes however if someone was actually going to use it or had bad intentions will simply answer no and drive on through. A full rv search and especially for a weapon would be impossible for Disney to do/keep up with. Them asking and it becoming know that they are asking will make people think twice, but again this is probably only going to affect honest people who have no intention of using their firearms for anything other then defense. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes it's in the booklet they give you at check in, at least the one for the Fort.

The loophole is it says they must be checked in and secured.

Different ways of looking at that wording.

Checked in could mean you let them know you have a weapon, or it could mean they want to take it.

Secured could mean it's up to the owner to keep it safely stowed away, or it could mean Disney will secure it.

Since they say air guns, fireworks, archery and firearms are weapons, can you imagine the size of a storage room that is fireproof and secure they would need?

What about broadswords, epees for fencing, throwing stars, bowie knives, etc.

 

[ThemeParkCommando 81]

Looks like another way to push down attendance.  I know my husband would refuse to give over his weapon to Disney's safekeeping.  But knowing how much gun violence is in the form of domestic disturbance, I can understand why you don't want armed people in a crowded campground, too.

[Travisma 1,317]

A couple of people posted, wondering if Disney was checking state/federal databases once you made a reservation to see if you were licensed to carry a firearm.

Then the guards and CMs would have that info when you checked in and question you about firearms.

I think that is bordering on conspiracy theory.

 

[shaffecv 12]

16 minutes ago, Travisma said:

A couple of people posted, wondering if Disney was checking state/federal databases once you made a reservation to see if you were licensed to carry a firearm.

Then the guards and CMs would have that info when you checked in and question you about firearms.

I think that is bordering on conspiracy theory.

 

It would be amazing if the Mouse carried that kind of sway.

 

 

 

[h2odivers...Ray 952]

3 hours ago, Travisma said:

Take this with a grain of salt, I saw this and a couple other posts about the Fort/Disney cracking down of firearms on property.

The original poster said he arrived at the Fort 1/2, showed his DL to the guard at the first shack, and then the guard asked if he had a firearm.  He answered yes, and the guard told him to let the CM at checkin lane know.

As he pulled up to the checkin lane a Disney security guard met him, and asked him to bring his weapon inside to the office where it would be placed in a lockbox.  He was not happy with this and the guard told him the choices were lock the weapon up at the office, or he would be escorted off the property. 

He said he was never asked previously about carrying a firearm in his RV. The guard told him it was a new policy.

Then the deluge of pro and anti guns started posting.  The admin turned off further posts.

 

 

Has anyone else been asked if they have a weapon when they enter the fort? Or was it just this one personHas anyone else been asked if they have a weapon when they enter the fort? Or was it just this one person

[Travisma 1,317]

He posted it yesterday and was told by the guard it was a new policy.

[BigTom 76]

1 hour ago, Travisma said:

Then it states all weapons must be checked in and secured during your stay.

What do they consider a weapon, how about a knife in your kitchen, or a screwdriver in your tool box, either and many other things can be weapons, baseball bats, hammers. ect

[h2odivers...Ray 952]

10 minutes ago, BigTom said:

What do they consider a weapon, how about a knife in your kitchen, or a screwdriver in your tool box, either and many other things can be weapons, baseball bats, hammers. ect

 I can tell you they consider box cutters without a blade in it, a weapon. 

Last summer when I got to the airport in OKC I realized I had my box cutter with me.  (I use it at wo I almost everyday)

I threw it in my back pack in my checked bag.  I completely forgot about and a few days later we were going through bag check and they found it.   So I took the blade and threw it away.  But they said I had to throw away the holder or take it back to the resort.   I asked for a supervisor and he told me the same thing. so I threw out a $15 holder.  

[Travisma 1,317]

16 minutes ago, h2odivers...Ray said:

 I can tell you they consider box cutters without a blade in it, a weapon. 

Last summer when I got to the airport in OKC I realized I had my box cutter with me.  (I use it at wo I almost everyday)

I threw it in my back pack in my checked bag.  I completely forgot about and a few days later we were going through bag check and they found it.   So I took the blade and threw it away.  But they said I had to throw away the holder or take it back to the resort.   I asked for a supervisor and he told me the same thing. so I threw out a $15 holder.  

My daughter had an empty bullet keychain (even had a hole drilled thru it) and she had to lock it in one of those boxes at that kiosk at the MK.  It might've panicked someone if they saw it.

[desiphil 7]

WDW does not have a right to enter someones personal RV. They do have, however have the right to ask. They also have right to ask any guest to leave their property. 

What each of us does with this new information is up to the individual. I take personal responsibility for maintaining the safety of my family and will continue to do so.

[keith_h 420]

2 hours ago, Travisma said:

What about broadswords, epees for fencing, throwing stars, bowie knives, etc.

You forgot the most dangerous of all, the dull paring knife.

 

43 minutes ago, desiphil said:

WDW does not have a right to enter someones personal RV. They do have, however have the right to ask. They also have right to ask any guest to leave their property.

WDW is private property so it all depends upon the use agreement. While I haven't been able to find a rental agreement for the Fort I did find one for the parks where you agree to any search or other security action they might want to take. I would like to see what the Fort agreement says but it wouldn't surprise me that they claim the right to enter your vehicle or RV while you are using the property. After my current frustration with trying to find what I want on the Disney website dies down I might go back and look some more.

[shaffecv 12]

2 hours ago, BigTom said:

What do they consider a weapon, how about a knife in your kitchen, or a screwdriver in your tool box, either and many other things can be weapons, baseball bats, hammers. ect

I tried that as a joke with an MP at the gate into Tobyhanna Army Depot once.  I had a service truck and was there to repair a Wheel loader at the motor pool.

He asked if I had any weapons.

I told him possibly. Torches, prybars, utility knives, hack saw, sawzall and went down the list of what was on my truck that could be used as a weapon.

He was not very impressed with my attempt at humor.

Whenever  he was on duty from then on I had to pull through the "more intensive " inspection line and open all the doors and hood on the truck. 

[keith_h 420]

21 minutes ago, shaffecv said:

I tried that as a joke with an MP at the gate into Tobyhanna Army Depot once.  I had a service truck and was there to repair a Wheel loader at the motor pool.

He asked if I had any weapons.

I told him possibly. Torches, prybars, utility knives, hack saw, sawzall and went down the list of what was on my truck that could be used as a weapon.

He was not very impressed with my attempt at humor.

Whenever  he was on duty from then on I had to pull through the "more intensive " inspection line and open all the doors and hood on the truck. 

When I was much younger and doing field engineering I had to go to a state prison to upgrade the firmware in their mainframe. The guards considered just about everything in my tool kit a weapon. The only way to get it to the computer room was to inventory the kit and sign it over to a guard who would then meet me in the computer room with it. He then kept watch on the tools and when I was ready to leave we reversed the procedure. The humorous part is there wasn't a prisoner to be found in the administration building where the computer room was.

[Cortezcapt (Derek) 156]

40 minutes ago, shaffecv said:

I tried that as a joke with an MP at the gate into Tobyhanna Army Depot once.  I had a service truck and was there to repair a Wheel loader at the motor pool.

He asked if I had any weapons.

I told him possibly. Torches, prybars, utility knives, hack saw, sawzall and went down the list of what was on my truck that could be used as a weapon.

He was not very impressed with my attempt at humor.

Whenever  he was on duty from then on I had to pull through the "more intensive " inspection line and open all the doors and hood on the truck. 

My grandmother did a similar thing going onto a navy base in Norfolk VA, when they asked if we had any weapons she asked what they considered weapons jokingly. Which turned into a very thorough search of our car and all our bags. The bad part was she forgot she hadn't taken her gun out of her purse so we had to go back to where we were staying drop it off then go through the whole search again. She had a bad habit of forgetting to take it out of her purse when we would go places she couldn't carry it.

[mamiller 4]

I read that post. I was amazed how many people said they will just lie. Disney does read these groups postings. So they just flagged themselves.

[Avatab.... Steve 124]

On 1/5/2018 at 10:16 AM, mamiller said:

I read that post. I was amazed how many people said they will just lie. Disney does read these groups postings. So they just flagged themselves.

 

I would be amazed if Disney had that level of organization or even has access to that information.  Actual Police Agencies have to jump thru hoops to get and keep access to State and Federal Firearms databases. Any abuse of that access is a Federal Offense and can get your entire Dept kicked off the net.

And don't forget that this is the same outfit that can't train it's Security Guards to give the same answer twice let alone enforce rules evenly.

I mean, what are they going to do if you say "No" to any of their questions? Are the Security Guards going to bring out the portable Lie Detector?  Are they going to start waving RV's into a TSA type vehicle search?

There's a reason most of us in Law Enforcement call this stuff "Security Theater".....

 

 

[caveat lector 181]

When some piece of garbage criminal goes nuts and fires a weapon at wdw, Disney can say they have a policy against personal firearms. Pretty simple math.