Katman1356...Jason 1,140 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 http://www.wdwmagic.com/transportation/walt-disney-world-gondola-system/news/15feb2017-is-the-walt-disney-world-gondola-system-about-to-become-a-reality-.htm Quote Recently filed permitting plans suggest that Walt Disney World may be about to get its own gondola transportation system. The plans show several structures at key locations around property, with some exhibiting quite distinctive proportions - L Shapes, that are typically used to change direction on overhead cable-based gondolas. (Thanks to danlb_2000 and P_Radden on the WDWMAGIC Forums for interpreting the plans) The plans appear to show the new gondola transportation system linking Disney's Hollywood Studios, Art of Animation Resort, Caribbean Beach Resort and Epcot. Timing is especially inserting, as major changes are coming to Disney's Caribbean Beach Resort and Disney's Hollywood Studios, which would make integration of a new transport system much easier. The Magic Kingdom of course had its own Skyway, which served as an attraction inside the park for many years. But the use of gondolas as mass transport is gaining popularity. A new system is proposed for New York City, and London already operates a version in the east of the city. Disney has not yet announced any new transportation plan, but it is well known that expansion of the monorail is unlikely, and roadways for bus use are becoming increasingly congested. Tri-Circle-D, Avatab.... Steve and BradyBzLyn...Mo 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keith_h 420 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Seems to me if they were going to build something like that they would go with a more efficient layout. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Travisma 1,317 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Interesting. I would imagine they will be more like the aerial cable cars they have in NYC going to Roosevelt Island then the little ones they have at Busch Gardens or what they used to have at the MK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
h2odivers...Ray 952 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, keith_h said: Seems to me if they were going to build something like that they would go with a more efficient layout. It makes sense to me They are close to HS and Epcot AoA would also include Pop. Who's buses are always crowded and seem to run slow. If they offer a gondola to the parks it would help with the crowds and they could charge more for the rooms And since Caribbean beach club is being expand and supposedly becoming a DVC they are going to have to offer those new owner something cool. Like a gondola. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaveInTN 3,247 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Little early for April fools. Sent from my handheld doohickie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
h2odivers...Ray 952 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, Travisma said: Interesting. I would imagine they will be more like the aerial cable cars they have in NYC going to Roosevelt Island then the little ones they have at Busch Gardens or what they used to have at the MK. Agree. I think the Roosevelt tramway carries 100 passengers at a time. It would have to carry that many people to make it successful Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WannaBeImagineer 98 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I'm reading the permit application now and I see the shapes they are talking about that look like a gondola station but man that's a big leap on very limited information. The engineer report is very vague (probably on purpose) here's the project summary: This application, L402 Basin Update, seeks a permit modification for additional stormwater system improvements within the L402 Basin. These improvements are in support of various building, roadway, construction laydown and parking lot modifications across the L402 basin. WBI JMSisko 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Thanks for posting this, Nick. It's not something I have heard anything about, but some kind of alternate transportation along the paths shown on that aerial photo would be a great idea. According to Wikipeida, the London Gondola system can transport 2500 people per hour (equivalent to 50 busloads). The cable car provides a crossing every 15 seconds, with a maximum capacity of 2,500 passengers per hour in each direction, about 50 busloads. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_Air_Line_(cable_car) It's not a bad idea. TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WannaBeImagineer 98 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Tri-Circle-D said: Thanks for posting this, Nick. It's not something I have heard anything about, but some kind of alternate transportation along the paths shown on that aerial photo would be a great idea. According to Wikipeida, the London Gondola system can transport 2500 people per hour (equivalent to 50 busloads). The cable car provides a crossing every 15 seconds, with a maximum capacity of 2,500 passengers per hour in each direction, about 50 busloads. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_Air_Line_(cable_car) It's not a bad idea. TCD Jason gets the credit for this find. :) I think this would be awesome and could work if they actually do it. The permit says they would start construction early 2017 and finish in 2019. I'd think that its tied to the Caribbean beach construction. Speaking of which I just looked at that permit and had no idea how much construction was going on there. It looks like they are going to demo quite a few buildings and build a new one. On another note I've read that the Gondola in London was built for the olympics but now commuters don't use it, it's become a tourist attraction. WBI Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Sorry Jason. You are still the man! 12 minutes ago, WannaBeImagineer said: On another note I've read that the Gondola in London was built for the olympics but now commuters don't use it, it's become a tourist attraction. I'm not even sure it's much of a tourist attraction. I honestly heard nothing about it when I was planning my trip to London a couple of years ago. We spent all of our time in London, and used the Tube and buses extensively. We never even considered the gondolas- I don't think the line is near anything that we were interested in seeing. But, I would gladly take one at WDW instead of a bus! TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Travisma 1,317 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, WannaBeImagineer said: Jason gets the credit for this find. :) I think this would be awesome and could work if they actually do it. The permit says they would start construction early 2017 and finish in 2019. I'd think that its tied to the Caribbean beach construction. Speaking of which I just looked at that permit and had no idea how much construction was going on there. It looks like they are going to demo quite a few buildings and build a new one. On another note I've read that the Gondola in London was built for the olympics but now commuters don't use it, it's become a tourist attraction. WBI That's because he's snowed in and has cabin fever! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Katman1356...Jason 1,140 Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Tri-Circle-D said: Sorry Jason. You are still the man! I'm not even sure it's much of a tourist attraction. I honestly heard nothing about it when I was planning my trip to London a couple of years ago. We spent all of our time in London, and used the Tube and buses extensively. We never even considered the gondolas- I don't think the line is near anything that we were interested in seeing. But, I would gladly take one at WDW instead of a bus! TCD No worries. Just glad to share thing when I find them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ImDownWithDisney 342 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 If this gets built I can't see it working very well unless they are strict about loading and unloading. The gondolas will have a limited amount of time for people to get in and out while detached from the cable at the bullwheel. If people are folding strollers or on a scooter and take too long the cable would have to be shutdown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WannaBeImagineer 98 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 ok I found some buildings in the Caribbean Beach plans and I found some buildings in the new plan that came out, but I don't see anything that shows it going down to Art of Animation. I also don't see a building at the International Gateway for Epcot. I'm not saying they aren't hidden in another plan some hwere I just can't find them. To me it wouldn't make sense to tie a Value resort to the system but that's just me. I'm still surprised by how much CB is going to change. Are they going to separate that guy into two different resorts? WBI Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, ImDownWithDisney said: If this gets built I can't see it working very well unless they are strict about loading and unloading. The gondolas will have a limited amount of time for people to get in and out while detached from the cable at the bullwheel. If people are folding strollers or on a scooter and take too long the cable would have to be shutdown. Ugh. I didn't think about strollers and scooters. That's going to be an issue. But, they deal with it on the boats and monorails. Maybe they will have accessible gondolas that they can consolidate all those riders in. 4 minutes ago, WannaBeImagineer said: ok I found some buildings in the Caribbean Beach plans and I found some buildings in the new plan that came out, but I don't see anything that shows it going down to Art of Animation. I also don't see a building at the International Gateway for Epcot. I'm not saying they aren't hidden in another plan some hwere I just can't find them. To me it wouldn't make sense to tie a Value resort to the system but that's just me. I'm still surprised by how much CB is going to change. Are they going to separate that guy into two different resorts? WBI There's a rumor about that new part of the CBR becoming a DVC property. I think they'd have to make that a separate resort to make it work. But, I'm not sure if there's any truth to that rumor. It seems like a big and unnecessary departure from DVC's operating model. TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keith_h 420 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 48 minutes ago, ImDownWithDisney said: If this gets built I can't see it working very well unless they are strict about loading and unloading. The gondolas will have a limited amount of time for people to get in and out while detached from the cable at the bullwheel. If people are folding strollers or on a scooter and take too long the cable would have to be shutdown. That's a good point. All of the other transportation at WDW can stop and wait for loading and unloading. I think if they go with a gondola where you can wheel in they should be able to keep things moving. What takes most of the time with the other methods is waiting for parents to unload and fold up the strollers of for the driver to lock down wheelchairs/scooters. What just doesn't sit with me is the layout. Depending upon how it is implemented one could end up having to switch cars and lines multiple times which would be hard with kids or a large group. If people that are passing through stay on the car and those not moving on get off you will likely end up with empty cars. If they go with a hub why make the route so long and not place it more centrally to increase efficiency? It will be interesting to see what it ends up being. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PGHFiend 140 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 At any rate, I hope they can inject the monorail smell of armpits and band-aids straight into the fabric of the new vehicles. Avatab.... Steve and NLPRacing 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ftwildernessguy 778 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 9 hours ago, Travisma said: Interesting. I would imagine they will be more like the aerial cable cars they have in NYC going to Roosevelt Island then the little ones they have at Busch Gardens or what they used to have at the MK. This is precisely why gondolas are a horrible idea. Many years ago my family and I were riding this very gondola and a giant ape attacked us. I seem to remember it being located in central Florida, however. Tri-Circle-D, Beckers and Avatab.... Steve 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beckers 1,136 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 40 minutes ago, ftwildernessguy said: This is precisely why gondolas are a horrible idea. Many years ago my family and I were riding this very gondola and a giant ape attacked us. I seem to remember it being located in central Florida, however. We must have been there same time. Happened to me too, it was horrifying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LONE-STAR 370 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Nothing like being stuck in the air in a Florida thunderstorm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DisneyVampire 45 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 As for the Caribbean, roughly about 35% - 40% of the buildings are being reconstructed. All restaurants including the grab and go, Shutters, and part of the gift shop. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 20 minutes ago, DisneyVampire said: As for the Caribbean, roughly about 35% - 40% of the buildings are being reconstructed. All restaurants including the grab and go, Shutters, and part of the gift shop. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk So the entire food court area is being redone? That's a huge undertaking. I wouldn't want to be a guest there while that's going on. TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DisneyVampire 45 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 So the entire food court area is being redone? That's a huge undertaking. I wouldn't want to be a guest there while that's going on. TCD Yes. They will be undergoing a complete renovation. There are going to be some "grab and go" stuff there, but both Shutters and the food court will be closed as of 5/1 for 13 months. Certain things will be in place to assist the Caribbean Resort guests with dining. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpy and Grandma 740 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 23 hours ago, Katman1356...Jason said: http://www.wdwmagic.com/transportation/walt-disney-world-gondola-system/news/15feb2017-is-the-walt-disney-world-gondola-system-about-to-become-a-reality-.htm On the local news and in the Orlando Sentinel. Permit was filed by DISNEY and REEDY CREEK together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, DisneyVampire said: Yes. They will be undergoing a complete renovation. There are going to be some "grab and go" stuff there, but both Shutters and the food court will be closed as of 5/1 for 13 months. Certain things will be in place to assist the Caribbean Resort guests with dining. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk Wow. 13 months? They are completely recreating this resort. I can't think of another resort renovation at WDW on the scale of this. Those DVC rumors are probably true. TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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